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Have you read The Unbearable Nonsense of Craft Beer - A Rant in Nine Acts by Alan and Max yet? It's out on Kindle as well as Lulu.

Maureen Ogle said this about the book: "... immensely readable, sometimes slightly surreal rumination on beer in general and craft beer in particular. Funny, witty, but most important: Smart. The beer geeks will likely get all cranky about it, but Alan and Max are the masters of cranky..."

Ron Pattinson said: "I'm in a rather odd situation. Because I appear in the book. A fictional version of me. It's a weird feeling."


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Steve Gates -

I believe that the term saloon migrated north from the United States and it carried with it a social stigma that proved hard to shake. it represented a much lower class of venue for those inclined to partake in the consumption of alcohol. The lager beer saloon, which was very popular in most of Ontario, was that place where that new fangled light, clear and amber beer could be purchased. The whole idea of it was revolutionary for those with a propensity to try new things. I think that the saloon eventually managed to shake the initial bad press that came with it and ultimately, it became the place to drink beer and eat a plate of oysters or frog legs. I have found only one lager beer saloon in Belleville, circa 1885. Operated by two German immigrants, this place rocked for a decade or so before being sold to an Anglo who, of course, went conventional. The Germans were very cliquish, you don't find many in this neck of the woods, preferring Kitchener, Guelph and Waterloo.

Alan -

I think I saw lager in and around Kitchener in the 1850s but not sure if there was lager beer saloon culture, too. Kingston City Hall had both the City Saloon and the Star Chamber Saloon in the 1840s and 50s - but I am not sure what the degree of swank was and it would not be expected they would have lager. So, saloon predates lager but appears to have rapidly had it attached to it.

Alan -

There were lager saloons listed in Hamilton in the late 1860s. Pretty sure Jordan backed lager in Ontario more than a decade in his part of the research for the Ontario beer book.