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Have you read The Unbearable Nonsense of Craft Beer - A Rant in Nine Acts by Alan and Max yet? It's out on Kindle as well as Lulu.

Maureen Ogle said this about the book: "... immensely readable, sometimes slightly surreal rumination on beer in general and craft beer in particular. Funny, witty, but most important: Smart. The beer geeks will likely get all cranky about it, but Alan and Max are the masters of cranky..."

Ron Pattinson said: "I'm in a rather odd situation. Because I appear in the book. A fictional version of me. It's a weird feeling."


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DanSmallbeer -

Well, that comment fest was exhausting.

Quite obviously the notion of a beer community or a craft beer community writ large is utter fucking nonsense.

You can see from reading the comments that half a dozen different definitions of community are in play. That said, of course there are groups of people with similar attitudes and perspectives who find each other — like the bloggers riding the comment horse — who are a community in that they care enough about that one topic to pitch in and stick around to see where it goes.

I think the "guy who sells you stuff" putdown is a bit blase though Alan. You remember your Marx, surely. Capitalism makes buyers and sellers of folk in a relation of production. I know at least two brewers here in Victoria who'd come and help me move house regardless of whether I bought much of their grog.

Steve Lamond -

I think beer bloggers do have a community in that they seek each other out when visiting other towns and organise meet up events like #twisups. Maybe that's easier in the UK. Everyone has separate interests in that they are unite dby their love of beer and want to see it thriving, in the same way that a traditional neighbourhood community stick together to stick up fo rthe interests of their vicinity. I think scene does describe the overlapping spheres of interest in the beer world better than community when looking at a global picture, but I'd say there is definitely community at the local and even nationl level in some countries

Alan -

"United"? You'd think the Nazis were doing a reverse D-Day!

So, by that definition, CAMRA is a community and not a club or organization.

Alan -

I am thinking "faction" or even "uppity faction" makes more sense than community. Remember, too, we are not including mass made lager drinker in any of this. It's a clique of hundreds upon hundreds if not tens.

Steve Lamond -

there's CAMRA members I've met all over the UK who would be happy to have me stay and vice versa. I like the sound of CAMRArmy... There's not enough active campaigners anymore, though taht is a different matter entirely...

Alan -

See, that works - like "scene" does. CAMRA is a movement. It runs like a public corporation or even a political party. It has an agenda and rules of order. Find me a community that runs on Roberts Rules of Order.

Stephen Beaumont -

Good god, man! You can't seriously expect a person to wade through that morass at Stan's blog, can you? Or, for that matter, the comment thread that won't die from a couple of posts ago on your site.

It's Friday, and a Friday of the last long weekend of the summer, at that. And I've taken a four day vow of optimism. Can't go breaking that, now.

But since it's right above where I'm typing, I will note that CAMRA is no more a movement than is any other citizen lobby group. It's an organization that charges membership fees and has a purpose and a goal, and of which I am a happy member. It was a movement once, but no longer.

Alan -

Oh, I know. I know. Friday. Friday. Friday. Happy is the independent consultant! Me? Five back to back meetings were set for me today.Five! Hard chairs and shoes that are harder.

Craig -

I want to be perfectly clear on this. I stopped reading you months ago.


DanSmallbeer -

Beaumont. Regarding CAMRA. If it's the Canadian version you're speaking of, watch this space. I'm currently pushing for a few changes that might make things more interesting BC-side.

Stephen Beaumont -

Dan, I was talking about the British one.

Steve Gates -

Men, Whether it be faction, club, community or movement it does not matter, I much prefer drinking a real ale, stout or porter with another dude who shares the same sentiment. I am quite disturbed that my three sons all prefer the yellow fizzy stuff that you buy at a bargain price at the beer store, have you ever examined why older men prefer the real stuff and the next generation on our heels purchases Lakeport, Coors light and other equally unrewarding pig piss that sells for 24 cans for 24 dollars. I, seemingly , have no influence on these misguided miscreants. Any comments on how I can approach this dillemma??

Alan -

Have you tried bitter sarcasm?