Pete Brown's piece this morning about, according to my finger count, seven members of CAMRA and two incidents entitled "CAMRA's Noxious Culture of Entitlement" got me wondering. Craft beer is funny stuff as any fan-based hobby is. People lose perspective. So, somewhat related to the Hedonist Beer Jive's 5 Most Boring Topic in Beer Journalism, are there five most tedious or obnoxious themes in craft beer appreciation? Do these compare?

• The brewery that considers itself outside proper business regulation because they make, you know, craft beer;
• The organization or artist that can tell you what you should think of the beers or brewers they support because they are speaking for "the community";
• The advocate who claims others have a conflict or some other ethical fault never mentioning that they do consulting on the side;
• Anyone who bristles at "it's just beer" more than they would "it's just cheese";
• Lobbyists who disconnect craft beer obsession from health and legal downsides like obesity and drunk driving.

Are those fair? Are they even in the same ball park? I have no idea. The CAMRA men (all Pete's examples were male, right?) trigger feelings of that sort of bile raising obnoxiousness even to those just experiencing the events second hand. But there seems to be acceptance of plenty of similar things without a boo. Is that fair? I don't know.

Surprising Protzian Update: Amazingly, there is actually a retort from Mr. Protz who was apparently one of Pete's boorish company. I leave it to you to enjoy the fireworks but would point out that I found Mr. Protz's description of what makes for good fun coarse and exceedingly discomforting in the past. Entitlement indeed.

Pants on Fire Update: Clearly Pete Brown and Roger Protz are both big fat liars as each has described the same incident giving utterly different takes on the same few facts. Interesting to note the fact arose in the context of unmoderated alcohol consumption. Surely nothing like this has ever happened before. Why can't UK beer writers control themselves or their consumption of beer when presented to them at no expense? Who else was at this table of vipers at the free dinner in the National Brewery Centre last week? Confess!