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Have you read The Unbearable Nonsense of Craft Beer - A Rant in Nine Acts by Alan and Max yet? It's out on Kindle as well as Lulu.

Maureen Ogle said this about the book: "... immensely readable, sometimes slightly surreal rumination on beer in general and craft beer in particular. Funny, witty, but most important: Smart. The beer geeks will likely get all cranky about it, but Alan and Max are the masters of cranky..."

Ron Pattinson said: "I'm in a rather odd situation. Because I appear in the book. A fictional version of me. It's a weird feeling."


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Alan -

I don't know. That is really really crazy to me. I may have to update as this sound less like oppression and more like planet kook-koo. But the question remains - which bureaucrats sift through the reams of pages of sign ins this would create?

Alan -

Oops - I was deleting spam and cut out the first comment in which someone kindly pointed out that that there are beer bars and private clubs in Utah and it is only the private club that requires this sign in stuff. Apparently, you can also bring your own wine or booze to a private club.

Nat Webster -

I went to Squatter's Pub and Brewery and did not have to get a membership, and the bar at the hotel where I stayed did not require one either. I'm no expert, but maybe if your establishment is a deemed restaurant it gets around this law.

Nicolas -

There should be a "don't vote law and drink" law .

Cranky -

Well, to be quite honest, sounds like a careers worth of research data there for some lucky PHD student......the scanners could collect your raw stats and you could go to the bars and do 'participant observation'.....get a degree and get a research grant to sit in a bar and participate in whatever's going on....hmmmm......I'm off to Utah....

Larko -

Does this mean that in Utah I would first have to learn how to drive a car before I could get a beer? I am 51 and have never had a driver's license but I would apparently need one to prove that I am at least 21. Nobody in their full senses would believe that I am 20 or younger, though.

Alan -

Here in Canada, the government booze authorities actually issue separate ID that is mainly for those who are just over age or who do not drive. I recall a great trade in undergrad in phony versions. When I am down south in NY state buying at a grocery store I get "carded" every time with a store manager being brought forward to have a look at me with my white beard and gang of children in tow.

Jordan -

I doubt that anybody will actually data-mine the information gathered, but, like all other liquor laws in Utah, the fundamental point is to humiliate and deter potential drinkers. The dominant religion doesn't like the idea of its members slipping into a corner bar and drinking anonymously. The current private club rules require enough paperwork and documentation that it is hoped that casual drinkers can be turned away. The new rule is actually an improvement on the private club concept, but it still casts the shadow of "we know you who are". They don't actually have to data-mine the data to scare people into believing that their name will appear on some master list and that they might be called before the LDS church potentates to answer for their transgression.

Luckily, things in Utah are never as bad as they sound. I went to school in Utah (go Utes!) and I lived there for almost 10 years. I only ever had one membership to a single club, and yet I never had a problem getting into any bar. The rules are confusing, but they flexible enough if you take the time to understand them. Yeah, its tough having to run to the liquor store before it closes at 7:00 PM to get some warm beer, but you plan for it and deal with it. I'm sure the good people of Utah will find a way to live with this latest humuliation too. To Nat - yes, resturants are not private clubs, but they need to serve food with the alcohol. You just can't roll into Squattesr and get a beer without a plate of nachos. (And next time you are in Salt Lake, skip Squatters and go to Red Rocks).

Wilson -

As I recall from a visit a few years ago, members are allowed to have guests, and there were no shortage of kindly local folk with memberships willing to make complete strangers like me their guest. Crisis averted.