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Have you read The Unbearable Nonsense of Craft Beer - A Rant in Nine Acts by Alan and Max yet? It's out on Kindle as well as Lulu.

Maureen Ogle said this about the book: "... immensely readable, sometimes slightly surreal rumination on beer in general and craft beer in particular. Funny, witty, but most important: Smart. The beer geeks will likely get all cranky about it, but Alan and Max are the masters of cranky..."

Ron Pattinson said: "I'm in a rather odd situation. Because I appear in the book. A fictional version of me. It's a weird feeling."


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Stonch -

By jelly you mean jam, right? ;-)

Young's make a variety of condiments using their various beers as an ingredient.

Alan -

Why? Jelly is jam that has been strained or is naturally clear. Can we have a long "jelly v. jam" webby blog debate? I am the king of that debate. I rule.<p>Gauntlet. Tossed.

Stonch -

Jelly is a pudding is it not? Whereas jam is not, it's something you spread on your toast for brekkie. These things are simple.

What is jello?

What is a 7-11?

Who is Tony Romero?

Those are the questions I want answered. People in internetland assume the rest of the world knows but we don't!

Alan -

"Jelly" in the North American meaning is not jello or even a geletin based form of fish and aspic savory as I imagine is served at Casa Stonch as part of daily neo-Victorian high tea. It is merely jam that has been strained at one part of the process to remove all seeds and other bits to leave a clear uncluttered fruity mass of sweet goodness. So you have either raspberry jam and raspberry jelly on your toast, the exercise of the option being based largely on your interest in sucking your teeth afterwards. But there is very little use of the word jelly other than that. It is not, like "pudding" to we over here, a subset of our <i>dessert</i>, your <i>pudding</i>.

Evan -

Having just finished my brekkie, I'd like to start the day by citing the Oxford English Dictionary, which defines jelly as

"Jelly [ME. geli, -y(e - OF gelée, frost, jelly :- Rom. gelata). An article of food... having a soft homogeneous consistence and usually semitransparent. Also, later, a preparation of the juice of fruit, etc., thickened into a similar substance."

Jam, the OED says, is a conserve of boiled fruit with sugar, with no reference to clarity, transparency or homogeneity. Since this product is semitransparent and homogeneous, and as it contains no chunks of fruit, I believe "jelly" is the correct term.

Moreover, the German title (visible on the label in the photograph) is "Biergelee." Meaning beer jelly. If they meant "beer jam," they would probably call it "Bierkonfitüre" or "Biermarmelade." Which just sounds ludicrous.

To clear up any other misunderstandings, Jell-O is a brand of gelatin dessert. 7-11 is a type of "corner shop" which is common in Asia, America and parts of Europe (with 105 in Norway, 61 in Denmark and 74 in Sweden, according to Wikipedia). As for Tony Romero, I would have to consult the Google.

Alan -

<i>...Biermarmelade." Which just sounds ludicrous...</i><p>Actually that sounds really good to me, though the lack of a beer rind would make it difficult to pull off.

Boak -

You learn something new every day. I didn't know Americans had "jam" and "jelly" to describe the same thing. I just assumed you were all being perverse, rather than actually introducing a degree of sophistication into this shared language of ours.

It's a good job that there are few linguistic pitfalls in the brewing vocabulary. Although is it true that you don't have the word "bits"?

Alan -

Not to be overly accurate but "jam" and "jelly" at least for Canadians are two grades of a similar product, jelly having the chunks strained out. We do have the word "bits" but it can mean anything from 12.5 cents (thus a quarter dollar being "two bits") to the scraps of broken chips ("crisps") left at the bottom of the bag. What does "bits" mean to you?

Emma Tameside -

Hey Evan, I'm not going to join the fray about jam vs. jelly here... since we all know jam is correct ;)

Seriously though, I've never tried beer flavoured jam, but it sounds nice! It looks like marmelade or honey too. We were in Cologne last year for the food festival and it was fantastic, but we didn't see anything like this I'm afraid. There were lots of baked yummies, along with less traditional german food (a lot of fine dining, more like French high cuisine).

We're hoping to get along to the Cologne Christmas markets this year and enjoy some of the beers and foods there too. I'll drop by the blog and let you know if I discover any beer-related oddities on our travels :)

I wonder if you can get that beer jam online?