Jay is hopping mad over MADD's hopping mad initiative to react to the initiative to let the adults of the USA who can go to war also have a beer when they feel like it by lowering the drinking age from 21 back to 18. Like in Canada, the drinking age, however, is not a matter of Federal law and there are local variations. A few weeks ago, I mentioned how much I liked the law of Wisconsin which includes a prohibition with a very interesting exception at section (or title...I am not sure with the US) 125.07(1)(a)(1):
No person may procure for, sell, dispense or give away any alcohol beverages to any underage person not accompanied by his or her parent, guardian or spouse who has attained the legal drinking age.This is the height of civilization and a happy medium that more states might go to. It is one step farther than we find in Maine which doesn't allow minors to buy beer yet the bar on consuming liquor also does not reach into the family due to the exception for drinking "in a home in the presence of the minor's parent, legal guardian or custodian." This is in line with the law in Ontario which contains the following exception to the prohibition against supplying to a person under nineteen:
This section does not apply,The right of a parent to override state interference in the home appears to be to be the perfect answer even as an intermediate step. Why should the state get to tell me, a parent, when I can share good beer and wine with my kids...which I think should be well before some guy at a party or behind the bleachers decides the time is right.(a) to the supplying of liquor to a person under nineteen years of age in a residence as defined in section 31 or in a private place as defined in the regulations by a parent of the person or a person having lawful custody of the person; or
(b) to the consumption of liquor by a person who is supplied liquor in a manner described in clause (a), if the liquor is consumed at the place where it is supplied.






Comments
Todd R. - August 17, 2007 7:49 am
I have to agree that the pushing the legal drinking age to 21 was a big mistake here in the US. At 18 or 19 someone's first legal drink would typically be in the presence of your family, at 21 it's most likely in the presence of your frat/sorority buddies, who's usually looking to see how drunk they can get you. Any wonder why binge drinking is such a problem?
MADD really needs to concentrate on the much more realistic goal of educating people to prevent drunk driving, NOT prohibition. We tried that before, and it didn't work all that well.
Todd
Stephen Beaumont - August 17, 2007 9:57 am
The age of majority south of the border may be a state-level issue, but the establishment of a national legal drinking age of 21 was certainly a federal initiative. It happened during the Regan years, when the White House threatened any state that did not raise their drinking age to 21 with the complete elimination of their federal highway funding. There was some initial griping, as I recall, but it didn't take long for all 50 states to comply.
Stonch - August 17, 2007 11:36 am
A police chief in the UK proposed a raise in the drinking age to 21 this week. Mentalist. Surprisingly lots of people expressed agreement. It would never happen, of course.
Alan - August 17, 2007 12:05 pm
Yes, Stephen, it arose from a Federal funding threat in the way that in Canada funding of health care minimum standards is subject to a level of national pressure. But there is a huge amount of state to state variation of the law which interestingly results in a large number of states effectively nullifying the Federal policy pressure.
Brian - August 21, 2007 10:17 pm
Wisconsin's laws are a little weird for the 18-20 crowd - I remember being in college and wanting to catch a friend's band at a bar. Even with my parents along, I wasn't allowed in. It may have been just that bar's decision, but the reasoning was that I was no longer a minor under my parents' control, so the law you quoted didn't apply, and I wasn't yet 21, so, yeah.
Although reading the actual text makes me think that they were wrong.
Christopher Foyle - March 5, 2008 4:25 pm
Raising the drinking age in the US was the dumbest idea since prohibition. Like gun control advocates, prohibitionists see the object as the problem rather than the human heart. It is not access to beer or wine but a lack of self-control that results in alcohol abuse.
I was "lucky" enough to have the drinking age raised on me TWICE between 18 and 21. When I was one month short of 18 North Carolina (where I grew up) raised the age to 19. After I turned 19 I was legal for 11 months before they raised it again to 21.
Did this prohibition prevent me from consuming alcohol? Absolutely not. It did increase my foolish and reckless use of it, including drinking and driving (as I was not allowed to drink in bars, friends would procure alcohol for me and I would find somewhere isolated to consume it and often be the "designated drunk driver").
Anyone who is considered a legal adult in society should have the choice of drinking alcohol or not.
What the United States (and MADD) DOES need to crack down on is our idiotic driving regulations in this country. It is much to easy for any fool to get a driver's license. The penalties for careless driving and especially drunk driving should be severe. First offense- 12 months without a license, Second offense- 5 years, Third offense-- lifetime banishment from driving.
Dylan - March 27, 2008 10:57 am
Look at Italy, no "recognized" drinking age, yet you don't see them having major problems like us. You can also drink alcohol openly on the streets any time of day. Everything has to do with education and the fact that North Americans put such a negative twist on alcohol unlike Europeans who accept it as a part of life.
G - March 31, 2008 2:57 pm
You have to LOOOOOOOVE the USA for their policies and laws.
They deem a person under 21 or even 18, mature and responsible enough to be send to war while handling a weapon to kill others and probably die, but he is not responsible enough to have a beer or know when not to drink too much at the same age.
Can anyone see the irony?
I dont want to hear that they are properly trained to go to was. If thats the case then we can train our teens the same way not to drink and drive and kill someone.
Another problem I see here is when you give someone a drivers license at 16, while they have never had a drink b4 and they dont know how to handle alcohol, what do you htink will happen when they drink for the first time and drive.
Let them drink at a young age. Then let them drive after they know that while I am drunk there is no way I should be driving.
I was raised in Greece. There was no legal drinking age. We also got our drivers license at 18 not 16.
While growing up alcohol was available everywhere. No one in high school really cared about drinking or going out to get drunk. Trust me I was one of the 'BAD' kids I was by no means an angel child and did not hang out with any other well behaved kids.
Coming to Canada I found it very weird that peoples attitude was lets go to a bar and get hammered. We didnt go to bar to get hammered. We went to have fun.
The only reason this is happening is by making it not legal at a younger age teens over do it when they are of age.
Lets not forget that teens around 14 15 all they want is to appear older and do what older teens do. Thats why they end up smoking, doing drugs etc. They do it to fit in and appear older.
Then, We all know that when we tell a teen 'dont do this' thats when they really want to do it.
Maybe the answer to all this drinking and driving is, let them drink... dont let them drive at the age of 16 17 18 or even 19.
Let them learn the consequences of drinking first hand. Let them experience at a younger age the fact that they cannot control them selfs properly while drunk. Then give them a drivers license and I really don't think they would be drinking and driving.
Bottom line... I rather give my 17 year old a beer than give them a riffle and send them to war.
justin - June 29, 2008 1:37 pm
ye seee that sucks, canada has much better laws over this, In Ontario you must be 19, which in my opinion is a year to late, 18 is a great age like i montreal. Montreal laws are one of the best as they are more of a guideline.
Careless driving - June 30, 2008 3:15 pm
Laws are flawed everywhere in my opinion. No system is perfect